Comments on: Jack Rose http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/ Quenching your thirst with sips, nips and tipples. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:40:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Amy http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-33192 Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:44:40 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-33192 Hey guys-- Though I like a good cocktail--what inspired me to look up this recipe is Hemingway's reference to it in The Sun Also Rises--Bill Gorton has had a couple of "Jack Roses" at the Crillon in Paris. I wonder what the French Jack Roses was like in this 1926 context...maybe the Calvados over the American Apple Jack? I'm gonna try it and see... Hey guys–
Though I like a good cocktail–what inspired me to look up this recipe is Hemingway’s reference to it in The Sun Also Rises–Bill Gorton has had a couple of “Jack Roses” at the Crillon in Paris. I wonder what the French Jack Roses was like in this 1926 context…maybe the Calvados over the American Apple Jack? I’m gonna try it and see…

]]> by: Thomas http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16398 Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:16:30 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16398 Thanks for the lead on Shoppers Vineyard, Robert, and on the eGullet discussion, Red! Here's a link to the latter: http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=69089 Thanks for the lead on Shoppers Vineyard, Robert, and on the eGullet discussion, Red! Here’s a link to the latter:
http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=69089

]]> by: JerseyRED http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16395 Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:56:49 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16395 PS So I guess in this case (Laird's) the BIB does mean quality IF your looking for pure apple brandy and not a blended version. Rich PS So I guess in this case (Laird’s) the BIB does mean quality IF your looking for pure apple brandy and not a blended version.

Rich

]]> by: JerseyRED http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16375 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:26:53 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16375 Robert, Thanks! I usually drive the the extra 36 round trip miles due to their selection. Next time I'll call ahead or put in an order as they never seem to have it in stock while I'm there. There is an interesting discussion on Applejack going on in the Cocktail and Spirits posts at eGullet under "Cheap for Mixing/Expensive for Sipping?" Rich Robert,

Thanks! I usually drive the the extra 36 round trip miles due to their selection. Next time I’ll call ahead or put in an order as they never seem to have it in stock while I’m there.

There is an interesting discussion on Applejack going on in the Cocktail and Spirits posts at eGullet under “Cheap for Mixing/Expensive for Sipping?”

Rich

]]> by: Robert Hess http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16258 Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:59:18 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16258 This is getting too confusing, I think I need a drink. :-> I've been told that "Shoppers Vineyard" (http://www.shoppersvineyard.com) Carries Laird's products, and they have pretty good shipping policies. Currently listed on their site are the 100 Proof Apple Brandy, 12 Year Apple Brandy, 7.5 Year Apple Brandy, and Apple Jack. This is getting too confusing, I think I need a drink. :->

I’ve been told that “Shoppers Vineyard” (http://www.shoppersvineyard.com) Carries Laird’s products, and they have pretty good shipping policies. Currently listed on their site are the 100 Proof Apple Brandy, 12 Year Apple Brandy, 7.5 Year Apple Brandy, and Apple Jack.

]]> by: Thomas http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16196 Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:21:50 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16196 Yeah, but the Act of 1897 has long since been repealed, and only applied standards for whiskey. All the phrase means currently is that the liquor was bottled before the federal alcohol tax was paid and the spirit was removed from the federally bonded warehouse. It is a meaningless term. But here's another idea: I now have a bottle of Captain Applejack in front of me. It is made by the Virginia Fruit Brandy Distilling Co. of Eatontown, N.J. It has "Bottled in Bond" prominently across the top of the label. It is described simply as "apple brandy" which means that it is only apple brandy (as 27 CFR sec. 5.39 requires the presence of any neutral spirits to be stated on the label). There ya go. Yeah, but the Act of 1897 has long since been repealed, and only applied standards for whiskey. All the phrase means currently is that the liquor was bottled before the federal alcohol tax was paid and the spirit was removed from the federally bonded warehouse. It is a meaningless term.

But here’s another idea:
I now have a bottle of Captain Applejack in front of me. It is made by the Virginia Fruit Brandy Distilling Co. of Eatontown, N.J. It has “Bottled in Bond” prominently across the top of the label. It is described simply as “apple brandy” which means that it is only apple brandy (as 27 CFR sec. 5.39 requires the presence of any neutral spirits to be stated on the label). There ya go.

]]> by: JerseyRED http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16165 Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:52:53 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16165 Actually, the term bottled in bond (BIB) comes from the Bottled-In-Bond Act of 1887 which mandated that the spirit is aged at least four years and bottled at 100 proof (50% alcohol) in a federally bonded warehouse under government supervision. Now, I can’t recall if the bottle of Laird’s 100 proof (BIB) I had (old black paper label) was Applejack (blended) or straight apple brandy. I’m thinking it was probably apple brandy as I believe the BIB Act required the spirit to be straight and not blended? I have not received a response from Laird’s as of yet. Rich Actually, the term bottled in bond (BIB) comes from the Bottled-In-Bond Act of 1887 which mandated that the spirit is aged at least four years and bottled at 100 proof (50% alcohol) in a federally bonded warehouse under government supervision.

Now, I can’t recall if the bottle of Laird’s 100 proof (BIB) I had (old black paper label) was Applejack (blended) or straight apple brandy.
I’m thinking it was probably apple brandy as I believe the BIB Act required the spirit to be straight and not blended?

I have not received a response from Laird’s as of yet.

Rich

]]> by: Thomas http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16155 Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:23:40 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16155 The "Captain Applejack" is a bottom shelf "blended" product as well. My understanding is that "bottled in bond" merely means that the taxes have been paid on the hooch. In other words, "not bootleg". The term is no indication of purity, content or quality. The “Captain Applejack” is a bottom shelf “blended” product as well.
My understanding is that “bottled in bond” merely means that the taxes have been paid on the hooch. In other words, “not bootleg”. The term is no indication of purity, content or quality.

]]> by: Kurt http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16041 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:46:47 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-16041 In addition to the blended Applejack Laird's makes the BIB Straight Apple Brandy and 7 & 12-year old apple brandies. It's my understanding that the BIB is hard to find but I was told by a person in the Laird's sales office that it's also bottled under the name Captain Applejack in the Carolinas and Virginia (and, apparently, in Illinois where I purchased it). I haven't tried Laird's aged apple brandies but the BIB is delicious. In addition to the blended Applejack Laird’s makes the BIB Straight Apple Brandy and 7 & 12-year old apple brandies. It’s my understanding that the BIB is hard to find but I was told by a person in the Laird’s sales office that it’s also bottled under the name Captain Applejack in the Carolinas and Virginia (and, apparently, in Illinois where I purchased it). I haven’t tried Laird’s aged apple brandies but the BIB is delicious.

]]> by: Thomas http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-15812 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:11:46 +0000 http://thespiritworld.net/2007/02/12/jack-rose/#comment-15812 Red, I think they only distill in the Shenandoah Valley because that's where the apples are. Not much apple production in your state any more, alas. New Jersey used to be a big apple state until Prohibition. Red, I think they only distill in the Shenandoah Valley because that’s where the apples are. Not much apple production in your state any more, alas. New Jersey used to be a big apple state until Prohibition.

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